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<title>refactor(common): delete the sender-key implementation nothing uses</title>
<updated>2026-09-10T15:30:22Z</updated>
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<name>Christophe Besson</name>
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<published>2026-09-10T15:30:22Z</published>
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`senderkeys.py` and its 13 tests implemented Signal-style sender keys, and
production has never called them: chat is a key per group, per epoch, per
device, derived by name. The reasoning that ruled the ratchet out stays where it
belongs — in `chatbox.py`, at the top of the module that replaced it — because
the argument is the useful part, and it now stands on its own instead of
pointing at a file to compare against.

Kept code that nothing calls is worse than absent code: it reads as an
alternative somebody may reach for, and it has to be maintained past every
refactor to stay compiling, which is maintenance spent on a decision already
made.

The three comments naming `GroupSenderKeyStore` are rewritten to say the thing
they were illustrating.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 &lt;noreply@anthropic.com&gt;
Claude-Session: https://claude.ai/code/session_01AsoWC3GmhNdwVFomW3QjH3
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<title>docs(chat): correct the claim that two devices never share a key</title>
<updated>2026-09-07T19:04:36Z</updated>
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<name>Christophe Besson</name>
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<published>2026-09-07T19:04:36Z</published>
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`chatbox.py` said per-device subkey derivation means "two devices never share
an AES key". That is false in the deployment that exists, and stating it hid
the reason the design is actually safe.

Two clients of one account on one node normally hold the **same** identity key:
a second browser fetches the keypair bundle from the node and recovers the
existing key rather than minting a new one, and so does a fresh Electron
install. Device linking — a distinct key, countersigned — is the exception, not
the rule, which is why nobody is ever asked to pin anything when they open a
second browser. So two clients routinely share a device key and therefore its
chat subkey.

What makes that safe is the nonce, not the derivation: 96 random bits, never a
counter. Two independent senders under one key collide only on the birthday
bound, unreachable at chat volume; two independent senders advancing one
*counter* collide immediately, which is precisely what C1 and §15.0b are about.
The true property is "no mutable sending state at all" — the hazard removed
rather than partitioned — and the design therefore degrades correctly into the
deployment as it is, where a chain-based one would have failed silently on the
day someone opened a second tab.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 &lt;noreply@anthropic.com&gt;
Claude-Session: https://claude.ai/code/session_01TZZxYjz8YeWRz13xDi8LJr
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<title>feat(chat): encrypt group chat under per-device epoch keys (MNP 2.0)</title>
<updated>2026-09-07T15:50:28Z</updated>
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<name>Christophe Besson</name>
<email>cbesson@gmail.com</email>
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<published>2026-09-07T15:50:28Z</published>
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Chat messages are sealed with AES-256-GCM under a key derived per group, per
epoch, per *device*, and signed over the ciphertext with the device key the
node pinned. The node relays and archives; it cannot read a message.

There is no switch. MNP goes to 2.0 and MNP_MIN_SUPPORTED moves with it, so a
1.x peer is refused at the handshake with `version_too_old` rather than
admitted and then unable to speak. An opt-in flag was designed and rejected:
every node is a test node, so it would have bought nothing and left a plaintext
branch reachable — C6's lesson one feature later. A test reads the source and
refuses any code that consults a `chat_encrypted` setting.

Not Sender Keys, and `senderkeys.py` is now documented as unused. With
distribution under the group key and a node that serves history to devices
which were not present, the node must retain each chain's earliest key, and a
chain key at iteration i yields every message key from i on by pure HKDF —
forward secrecy is zero either way. What the ratchet was left buying was
stateful client code with silent failure modes, three of them reproduced: any
member could sign as any other, a second device dropped the first's chain, and
the skipped-key cache grew without bound. The reasoning is in
docs/chat-sender-keys.md, which is the specification and the decision record.

Epochs, not rotation: the epoch key is wrapped under the group key at delivery
and never stored under it, so `gek_rotate` is a re-wrap. A group-key-derived
archive key would have made every message ever sent unreadable on the first
`member unpin`, which is the documented step after removing a member. A new
epoch opens on member revoke/unpin, device revoke and `gek_rotate`; old epochs
are kept and still delivered, so history stays readable to everyone who could
already read it, and nothing anywhere deletes one.

Three prerequisites this needed, each a live defect on its own:

* The peer registry was keyed by user_id, so one account's second device
  evicted the first and the broadcast skipped recipients by account — a
  person's phone never saw what they typed on their laptop.
* The handshake authenticated an account, never a device. `device_hello`
  (additive, signed, refused unless the key is a live device of this account in
  the node's own roster) is what lets the node refuse a member claiming
  somebody else's key.
* `_admin_exec_file_delete` authorized against the exact uploading key, so
  device linking had already broken deleting your own file from your other
  device. It now authorizes against any non-revoked device of `uploader_id`.

Found by driving the real panel over the real transport, not by reading source:
`chat_keys_resp` was routed by arrival order and handed to an unanswered
`media_meta_req` — the original frozen-tab defect in a message type that did
not exist when that probe was written. And `_asText` had been deleted with an
unrelated helper beside it; its only caller sits inside a promise the panel
catches, so every conversation rendered empty with nothing in the console.

Existing node data is migrated by QE/migration/migrate_chat_encryption.py
(not versioned, per the QE rule), run with the node stopped.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 &lt;noreply@anthropic.com&gt;
Claude-Session: https://claude.ai/code/session_01TZZxYjz8YeWRz13xDi8LJr
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