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| author | Christophe Besson <cbesson@gmail.com> | 2026-08-13 03:56:30 +0200 |
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| committer | Christophe Besson <cbesson@gmail.com> | 2026-08-13 03:56:30 +0200 |
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docs: second security review + roadmap rewrite0.1
Second architecture and security review (second-review.md): 6 critical and
7 high findings against the Phase 12 implementation, plus an assessment of
whether the system meets its end-to-end confidentiality claim.
Roadmap rewritten against those findings (devel-phases-next.md): new blocking
Phase 11.5 (security remediation), Phase 12 (hub minimization), Phase 13
(native desktop client). Old phases 12-17 renumbered to 14-19.
tmp-decisions.md records two open decisions: whether the hub keeps serving
the web UI, and browser extension vs native desktop client vs both.
CLAUDE.md and devel-phases-next.md also carry pre-existing Phase 12 edits from
the working tree that could not be cleanly separated from the review changes.
Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 5 <noreply@anthropic.com>
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diff --git a/tmp-decisions.md b/tmp-decisions.md new file mode 100644 index 0000000..97a27ea --- /dev/null +++ b/tmp-decisions.md @@ -0,0 +1,145 @@ +# Open decisions — client architecture + +> Working note, not a spec. Created 2026-08-13 after the second security review. +> Delete or fold into `docs/meshbay-draft-v5.md` once decided. + +--- + +## Status + +| # | Decision | State | +|---|---|---| +| D1 | Does the hub keep serving the web UI? | **Open** — leaning yes | +| D2 | Browser extension, native desktop client, or both? | **Open** — needs time | +| D3 | Transport: aiortc primary, QUIC at parity, TCP+HTTP removed | ✅ Decided 2026-08-13 | + +**Neither D1 nor D2 blocks anything right now.** Phase 11.5 (security remediation), +Phase 12 (hub minimization), Phase 14 (node CLI) and Phase 15 (Sender Keys) are entirely +client-agnostic — every finding they close is node-side or hub-side. Phase 11.5 is in +progress on that basis. + +--- + +## Why these are open + +The second review recommended a native client and claimed *"T3 disappears — code integrity +stops depending on the hub."* **That claim was wrong and has been corrected** in +`second-review.md` §9. + +If the hub operator is the adversary, a native client downloaded from `meshbay.org` and +signed with a key that operator holds does not remove the trust — it relocates it from "the +JS they serve" to "the binary they serve." What actually changes is **detectability**: + +- **Browser:** an attack is one HTTP response, targeted at one user, leaving no artifact. + Undetectable in principle. +- **Native:** an attack requires shipping a build. That build is an artifact — hashable, + archivable, comparable between users, reversible. Targeting one user means giving them a + different binary, which reproducible builds and published hashes make detectable. + +That is a real improvement, but **the value lives in the verification machinery +(reproducible builds, published hashes, independent rebuilds — Phase 18.7), not in the +packaging format.** Without it, a native client from meshbay.org is only marginally more +trustworthy than the SPA from meshbay.org. + +Native also has real costs that were under-weighted: loss of the browser sandbox (a Python +process with full user privileges vs a seccomp-confined renderer), ownership of patch +velocity for WebKitGTK and every bundled dependency, and new attack surface (loopback media +server, IPC bridge, update client). + +**Conclusion recorded:** the native client is justified on *product* grounds — durable keys, +no browser tab, background connectivity, better video, hub-less `group://` access over QUIC. +It should not be justified as the fix for T3 unless 18.7 ships with it. + +--- + +## D1 — Should the hub keep serving the UI? + +Keeping it is defensible. It is how anyone tries the platform without installing anything, +and it stays the fallback when a device has no client installed. + +What must be true if it stays (all already scheduled in Phase 12.6): + +- strict CSP and Subresource Integrity on the bundle +- the hub publishes a **signed digest** of the served bundle, so any third party — an + extension, a native client, a curious user — can verify it +- `/app/` carries an explicit, visible "reduced trust: this hub serves this code" notice +- the docs never claim end-to-end integrity for the hub-served SPA path + +The honest framing: hub-served SPA is a **convenience tier**, not the secure tier. + +--- + +## D2 — Extension vs native: what each actually covers + +Three shapes, cheapest first: + +**Option A — Extension as a verifier (hub still serves the UI)** +The extension does not ship the UI. It hashes the bundle the hub served and compares it +against a digest signed by the project. Mismatch → visible alarm, optionally block. +Converts a silent targeted injection into a loud one. Small effort, keeps today's +architecture, compatible with D1 = yes. + +**Option B — Extension ships the UI (hub serves the API only)** +The UI lives in the extension, distributed and signed by Mozilla/Chrome — a channel **the +hub operator does not control**. Manifest V3 forbids remote code, which works in our favour: +the structure enforces exactly what we want. Keys live in extension storage, isolated from +page JS. Moderate effort. + +**Option C — Native desktop client (pywebview + aiortc)** +Phase 13. Full control, durable keys in an OS keystore, QUIC, hub-less access, best UX. +Highest effort, and the security argument depends on 18.7. + +### Comparison + +| | Hub-served SPA (today) | A: extension verifies | B: extension ships UI | C: native desktop | +|---|---|---|---|---| +| Code distribution channel | Hub (the adversary) | Hub, but **verified** | Store (independent) | Hub download + own signing key | +| Silent targeted injection | Undetectable | **Detected** | Not possible | Detectable *if* 18.7 | +| Browser sandbox | ✅ Full | ✅ Full | ✅ Full | ❌ None (partial under Flatpak) | +| Patch velocity | Browser auto-updates | Browser auto-updates | Browser + store review latency | **You own it** (WebKitGTK, Python deps) | +| Key storage | IndexedDB, page-reachable | unchanged | Extension storage, page-isolated | **OS keystore** | +| Crypto available | WebCrypto only (no ChaCha20/Argon2id) | unchanged | unchanged | **Full** (ChaCha20, Argon2id 256 MB) | +| Transport | WebRTC | WebRTC | WebRTC | WebRTC **+ QUIC** | +| Large file → disk | Chrome only (FS Access API) | unchanged | unchanged | **Native, unlimited** | +| Hub-less `group://` | ❌ | ❌ | ❌ | ✅ | +| New attack surface | — | negligible | negligible | loopback server, IPC, updater | +| Platforms to maintain | 0 | 2 stores | 2 stores | 3 OSes | +| Effort | 0 | Low | Moderate | High | + +### Observations for the decision + +- **A and B are not exclusive with C.** A/B protect browser users; C serves users who want a + real application. "Both" is coherent — just sequence them. +- **B gives most of C's security benefit at a fraction of the cost**, because the win was + never the packaging format — it was getting the code off the adversary's distribution + channel — and the extension keeps the browser sandbox while doing it. +- **Store review latency is the one place B is worse than C**: a critical fix waits on + Mozilla/Google. Mitigate with a version-pinned kill switch. +- **For node operators specifically, Phase 14 (CLI) beats all three.** The operator is the + highest-value target — holds the GEK, is the content authority — and today must use + hub-served JS to initialize GEKs and invite members. The CLI removes that dependency at a + fraction of any client's cost. If only one thing gets built for T3, it should be the CLI. +- If **D1 = yes** (hub keeps serving the UI), Option A is the natural companion and is nearly + free once 12.6 publishes the signed digest. + +### Not yet investigated + +- Whether AMO/Chrome Web Store policy accepts an extension whose purpose is P2P file sharing +- Whether MV3 service-worker lifetimes can hold a long-lived WebRTC DataChannel (may need an + offscreen document — worth a spike before committing to B) +- Safari/iOS: no extension route comparable to AMO; likely out of scope either way + +--- + +## Impact on the roadmap + +| Decision | If yes | If no | +|---|---|---| +| D1 hub serves UI | Phase 12.6 as written (CSP, SRI, signed digest, reduced-trust notice) | 12.6 shrinks to removing `/app/`; hub becomes API-only | +| D2 = A | Small new phase; 12.6 is a prerequisite | — | +| D2 = B | New phase, ~Phase 13-sized; 13.1 platform split is reused directly | — | +| D2 = C | Phase 13 as written (13.2–13.11), + 18.7 for the security claim to hold | Phase 13 reduces to 13.1 only | + +**13.1 (platform adapter split) is worth doing regardless of D2.** It is pure refactoring +whose acceptance criterion is "the browser SPA behaves identically," and it is the +prerequisite for A, B and C alike. |